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Musings Part 3: Father and Son – what should the son do ?

Posted in: Older people's nursing | Specialist nursing areas

20-Jun-2011 2:40 pm

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19-Dec-2011 2:39 pm

I think it is time to start posting ‘some answers’ to the ‘musings’ series.

I have received a variety of answers, and I will post them throughout the musings series, without repeating the ‘identifier section – this identifies the people whose answers I will be posting:

GP: NHS Rotherham, GP, 24 years. 14 = yes, and 15 = yes.

Consultant Doctor: NHS Medway, Consultant in Palliative Medicine, 27 years. 14 = yes, 15 = Yes – after training and if expected death.

Paramedic no 1: Wirral, Paramedic, lots. 14 = no, 15 = no. (please see note below).

Paramedic no 2: Wirral, Paramedic, 19 years. 14 = no, 15 = no.

Nurse no 1: NHS Gloucestershire, EoLC Facilitator, 26 years of nursing (4 years Community Nursing

(DN), 11 years Specialist Palliative Care, 5 years GSF/EoLC project work. 14 = Yes – palliative care degree, DN qualification, Masters module in health and social care, 15 = Yes as part of an EoLC Study Day.

Nurse no 2: NHS Gloucestershire, End of Life Care Education Facilitator, Medical nursing background, more recently in last 2 years specifically in end of life care education – care homes and community. 14 = diploma in palliative care, 15 = yes.

Nurse no 3: University Hospitals of Leicester. Palliative Care, Liverpool Care Pathway Facilitator/Macmillan Sister, 5 years. 14 = Completed the OU Death and Dying course, 15 = Not that I am aware of.

Nurse no 4: NHS Rotherham, Commissioning Manager (Registered Nurse), 28 years in NHS. 14 = yes, and 15 = yes.


And their answers to this question, were:

GP: He should do what his father asked him to do.

Consultant Doctor: Wait and call GP later to certify the death

Paramedic no 1: Preferably make a quick note in care package AND/OR do not call 999.

Paramedic no 2: Respect father’s wishes, in the event and contact and discuss with GP ASAP, call 999.

Nurse no 1: If an Advance Decision to Refuse Treatment (ADRT) has not been made and the father has not verbalized his wishes to a professional involved in his care then the son would have to call 999 as his conversation with his father has not been witnessed and not evidenced as “in his best interests”

Nurse no 2: respect his fathers wishes and not phone 999

Nurse no 3: Either ask his father to document his wishes in some form, or if possible contact the out of hours GP, and see if that would be an appropriate course of action

Nurse no 4: He should dial 999 as there is nothing formal that acknowledges his dads wishes. If he does nothing he will be in trouble as it will be classed as neglect also dad may have been having a bad day and if resuscitated may go on to live the rest of his life pain free, with dignity and in control by completing an advanced directive.

MY COMMENT – these answers do not seem to reveal a ‘unified belief set’ at work.

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