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Nurses in the BNP

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23-Apr-2009 5:19 pm

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Alex Joyce

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27-Apr-2009 1:16 pm

BNP Members most certyainly should not be allowed to practice as nurses. The whole ethos of the party is one of racial discrimination and hatred.

It is obvious to anyone that this is completely at odds with nursing and flies in the face of the dignity and equality issues championed by the NMC, Government and Trade Unions.

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15-May-2009 8:02 pm

I think that members of the BNP should be allowed to practice as nurses. It dosent matter what political party you belong to, if any. People still have ratial or discriminatory views regardless (depending on what term you want to label it under). Also, there are active participants in every party aswell as people who subscribe to the ethos but dont take part in the more extreme activities.
Aren't nurses trained to display unconditional positive regard and be non-discriminatory to every single patient regardless of their own views? Or are you saying that members of the BNP dont have the capacity to act professionaly in a professional setting? Dosent this echo some of the BNP's own philospphys?

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sarah cordell

sarah cordell

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11-Jun-2009 10:43 pm

I met a training facilitator on the same course as me yesterday. He does not work for the same trust as myself. At lunch sitting with my colleagues, he asked if we had voted and then proudly announced that he had voted BNP, 'British jobs for British workers' he said. My colleagues included an Indian nurse and one in a mixed marriage. This was not a professional act in a professional setting but a racist, offensive extremist boast. He has no place in the NHS and certainly no place within an educational setting. I believe in tolerance and understanding to make the world a better place, with less conflict and segregation. Not views held by this man. I believe knowledge and education can lead to better understanding peoples beliefs and ideals. Not an ethos of the BNP. We live in a multiracial society, a migrant world, our lives are enhanced because of this. The NHS is not enhanced by employing this man, it is damaged by him.

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22-Jun-2009 11:53 am

Interesting that the previous post which related the comment made during a training scenario gave the impression that the Indian Nurse and the person in a mixed marriage were, by default, not British? When I read the post I thought "British Jobs for British workers" - not a bad idea - my idea of "British" includes people of all ethnic types, religions, genders, sexual orientation etc.

The truth is that more than 60 million people already live on this little island of ours. When is the population large enough - when it reaches 80 million, 100 million, 150 million? There has to be a point where we say enough is enough, there isn't any more Britain left to share!!

To me it doesn't matter what party you vote for - they all have their unsavoury side - look at the recent widespread fraud committed by MPs on all sides under the banner of "expenses".

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Orlando  Martinez

Orlando Martinez

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11-Aug-2009 4:34 pm

Personal story:

And I remember the tears of wonder in my eyes when I looked down at my nephew Sebastian who was premature and only weighted two pounds, and there he was, in the hospital crib, with a slight smile on his face thinking of some magical baby thoughts and was alive and glowing like an angel because of the nurses and doctors care and I want to say thank you.

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Ian Mckendrick

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27-Sep-2009 2:35 pm

The BNP is more than "unsavoury". They are a fascist organisation who's leader is a holocaust denier. They take their inspiration from Hitler and attempt to rehabilitate the Nazi regime and fascism by denying the holocaust happened.
They believe in an all white Britain and see politics not as a process of debate but of "well directed boots and fists".
The BNP does not believe the NHS should exist as an instiution, and their plcies would see a core of staff forcibly ejected from the country. Their use if the "British jobs for British workers" is racist as they do not accept that there are balck and asian English. It is code for "white jobs for white workers" and extremely dangerous as a result.
The recent violent racist marches in Birmingham,Luton and at Harrow Mosque by the English Defence League were built and led by BNP members and supporters with participants using the Seig Heil salute of Hitler's Nazi's.
A recent film report of their national festival revealed the ritualistic burning of a golliwog by a 13 year old at the prompting of adults who made statements such "he's black...he must be guilty".
Under Hitler nurses assisted with the extermination of the mentally ill and people with learning disabilities. They helped run concentration camps, asisting in medical torture of jews, homosexuals and "politicals".
No nurse supporting the BNP could be trusted to deliver a service on an equal basis in a multicultural society.

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Stuart Sorensen

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16-Oct-2009 10:07 pm

Thought this might be of interest.

http://stuartsorensen.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/anti-discrimination-policy-for-the-bnp/

Cheers,

Stuart

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Stuart Sorensen

Stuart Sorensen

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17-Oct-2009 0:01 am

Thought this might be of interest.

http://stuartsorensen.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/anti-discrimination-policy-for-the-bnp/

Cheers,

Stuart

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Stuart Sorensen

Stuart Sorensen

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17-Oct-2009 0:03 am

Not sure why the above appeared twice.

Cheers,

Stuart

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21-Oct-2009 2:39 pm

I believe there should be no place in Nursing for Politics. To be honest I´m sick of colleagues insisting that to be taken seriously as a Nurse you have to read the Guardian newspaper - the telegraph has a better crossword!
Any educated person knows what is right and what is wrong without being told what to think by anybody.

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21-Oct-2009 4:30 pm

Regardless of political beliefs, nurses have as much right as any other member of society to hold their own views and I understand may vote according to their choices. I would like to point out I do not support any political party, especially not one that is racist, but providing the individual nurse acts in accordance with their NMC code of conduct and treats individual patients and their colleagues with dignity and respect in a professional manner it should not affect their ability to hold beliefs in their private life.

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21-Oct-2009 8:02 pm

I support the view that nurses are able to support whichever political party they chose, provided they carry out their job in a professional manner, there is no issue. I support any party which is going to tackle one of the problems we have right now, being an overcrowded island. There are not enough jobs to go around as it is. There is not enough of anything, just too much demand for services, benefits, housing etc.. Figures released today show that in ten years, the population of this country is going to increase to 70 million, 66% the increase is going to come from increased immigration. It is well past the time our borders were closed to all immigrants, and strenuous efforts made to return the population level to a sustainable level. I do not appologise if this submission offends anyone, we must be allowed to say it how we see it, as previous submissions have done. What encouraged me to make this submission, is first submission above. I find it offensive. I find it offensive that people can hold the view that just because one holds a particular view, they are unable to function to an acceptable standard, and should not be allowed to work as nurses. We only have to think of recent incidents involving nurses 'pushing' their religious views to show that there are people working as nurses, as everywhere else, who hold a very wide range of views. To exclude some and not others would place us on a very slippery slope to a place where none of us would like to be. Well, most of us anyway.

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Stuart Sorensen

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21-Oct-2009 8:38 pm

I agree with the above that people have the right to hold whatever views they wish so long as their actions are appropriate.

However I also suspect that to discriminate against people based upon skin colour (let's face it the BNP have made no secret of their discriminatory views) and to ally yourself with neo-nazis across the globe might well make it difficult to function as part of a profession that holds equality and diversity as a core value.

The immigration issue is not simply a matter of domestic party politics - there's a European issue here which is bigger than any one UK party. Anyway the BNP isn't bothered about preventing immigrants - it's bothered about preventing immigrants that aren't white.

A party official on Radio 2's Jeremy Vine show last Monday stated that he would have more in common with a white Pole than a Black or Asian British citizen (not that I have any problem with Poles but it does illustrate something rotten in the BNP mindset) . This isn't about immigration - it's about discrimination.

It is dangerous to think of the BNP purely as a party that desires to tackle immigration - that is simply the politically correct veneer they place on racism.

There's a lesson here - it is the lesson that Europe learned from Hitler and the rise of the Nazi party in Germany. What began as ostensibly reasonable arguments turned into mass genocide - unless you want to believe Nick Griffin's revisionist assertion that the holocaust didn't happen.

Can I point you to my blog again? I wrote a piece yesterday about the use of wartime imagery and the notion of history repeating itself. It's here....

http://stuartsorensen.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/what-did-you-do-in-the-war-daddy/

I do not object to BNP members being nurses - I believe in equality and diversity. I do wonder though how they can hold their views and still function appropriately but that's a matter for them and their conscience. So long as they remain true to the code of conduct it's none of my business.

But please don't be fooled by the BNP - they're Nazis - they were born out of the legacy of the National Front skinheads of the 1970s. There is an ideological lineage dating at least as far back as Mosley's blackshirts in the 1930s. The BNP is simply the modern incarnation of home grown racist bigotry.

Alan Bleasdale in his play 'No more sitting on the old school bench' had his NF card-carrying caretaker say this:

"We won't need the voting booths - we'll have the streets".

Let's hope we don't see a modern version of 'crystalnacht' in UK because of this thuggish party.

Nurses in the BNP? Well - it seems incompatible to me but since political conscience is private (since we're not a fascist state) then so long as they uphold the values and the code - fair enough. Just don't discriminate against service-users where I am. We have an adult protection team and we're not afraid to use it.

Cheers,

Stuart

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Maria Vialli

Maria Vialli

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23-Oct-2009 6:00 pm

Well we all saw Nick Griffin on Question Time this week and it's was fairly obvious that the views of his party are NOT compatible with nursing values. So yes, I guess they should be allowed to be nurses to uphold the democratic principles of this country, as long as they keep their disgusting views to themselves

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Stuart Sorensen

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24-Oct-2009 6:03 pm

Sometimes integrity brings didadvantages when faced with liars such as Nick Griffin and his ilk. But I still think that unless we support free speech for those with whom we fundamentally disagree than we do not believe in free speech at all.

I wonder if the BNP would uphold my right to speak out were they ever in a position to prevent it. Somehow I doubt they'd be so generous to us as we are to them.

Cheers,

Stuart

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25-Oct-2009 9:40 am

I would not vote BNP but do think there has to be some credible party who take the views and thoughts of the white working class people seriously and actually listen to their fears and concerns

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Linda Stewart

Linda Stewart

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25-Oct-2009 2:52 pm

When Nick Griffin says, "British jobs for British workers" he actually means as long as they are completely white Aryan British workers. Obviously, this point of view is totally at odds with every standard and ethic a nurse should espouse and stand for.

There is no place for BNP members in nursing - everything they represent is diametrically opposed to the NMC Code of Conduct. How can they deliver the best possible care to patients they despise? The irony is that they themselves may not be as "British" or "pure bred" as they believe they are!

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Stuart Sorensen

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25-Oct-2009 5:16 pm

An anonymous poster has suggested above that Nick Griffin somehow represents the views and thoughts of white, working class people. Are you suggesting that the concerns of white working class people are very different from the concerns of black or asian working class people?

This is discrimination in itself - it's an us and them attitude that will, if unchecked, provide support for the BNP based upon a complete myth about working class Britain.

I'm whirte. I'm working class. Nick Griffin most certainly does not reflect my opinions. NMor does he reflect hte opinions of anyone I would wish to be associated with.

Working class does not mean bigotted and paranoid!
White does not mean racist!

Cheers,

Stuart

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Stuart Sorensen

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26-Oct-2009 2:58 pm

Just posted the below in my blog. Don't be fooled - the BNP are not representative of white, working class British people - they are just Nazis.

"White, working class and British

October 26, 2009 by stuartsorensen

There is a political party in the UK today that claims to represent the views and opinions of white, working class, British people. That party is the British National Party. It grew out of the thuggery of the National Front, a far right, neo-Nazi group that was responsible for massive amounts of violence and intimidation on the country’s streets throughout the 1970s and 1980s.

Indeed the heritage of the BNP can be traced right back to the Black-shirted fascists who supported Baronet Oswald Mosley in the 1930s. For the BNP to claim that they represent honest, hard-working British people is a travesty.

I am a white working class man. I am only two generations away from servants. Go back three generations and you will find my great grandfather was ‘blacked’ by employers for helping to start the first trade union in my native West Cumbria.

For my own part I’ve worked as a salesman, a barman, a porter, a care assistant, a nurse and now a trainer in health and social care. I’ve been homeless in the past and lived in hostels whilst scratching out a very modest living as a busker on the streets of our towns and cities. It’s hard to find anyone more working class than me.

The BNP do not represent the views of this white, British, working class man. And I’d like to tell you why.

First let me point out that white does not mean that I think I’m special. I do not believe for one moment that the concerns of white working people like myself are any different from the concerns of black and asian working class people.

Let me also point out that working class does not automatically mean bigotted or racist.

The BNP has hijacked the good name of a huge part of British society and claimed it for it’s own. But we do not belong to this racist, fascist organisation and they do not represent us. The BNP represents far right politics – a political position so far removed from the traditional left wing politics of the working class as it is possible to get.

Let’s also consider what it means to be British.

The BNP would have you believe that Britishness equates to the white-skinned, North European stereotype epitomised by pictures of blond haired Vikings in schoolbook pictures. It is the same view that prompted Hitler’s Nazi party to steal blond, blue eyed children from occupied countries and raise them as Aryan Germans during the second world war. It is the same mistaken viewpoint that sent Hitler’s Nazis all over occupied Europe trying to find evidence of a mythical Aryan race from which they thought themselves to be descended.

The truth is that this country has no pure blood any more. Beginning with black Africans, Northern Europe has been populated (and sometimes invaded) by wave upon wave of people from other parts of the world. Most often they came from more Southern climes and were, inevitably darker skinned than the BNP’s ideal. It is evolution and adaptation that has caused the differences in skin colour we see today because ultimately we all derive from the same 7 family trees. And they all originated in Africa.

Even ignoring that fact – the BNP talk a lot about the period since the last ice age 17,000 years ago – quick look at the history of Britain shows how silly it is to suggest any sort of racial purity in UK. We are mongrels – and that is our greatest strength.

It is almost impossible to define Britishness in racial terms. The whole idea is based upon a myth – a dangerous myth at that.

So – how do we define British?

Well – Britishness is tied to citizenship. To be a British citizen is to be British. To hold a British passport is to be British. To have a national insurance number in UK is to be British.

To be white is to be white – that’s all.

To be working class is to have to work for a living – that’s all.

I stand shoulder to shoulder with my working class British neighbours of all colours in rejecting the BNP’s deceitful claim to represent the views of decent hard-working people.

To support the BNP is to be duped by lies and half-truths based upon the same lies and fantasies that led Hitler and the Nazis to exterminate millions of people in the holocaust – a historical fact that the BNP are keen to play down.

Do not be fooled by this vicious group of thugs. They may not wear the blackshirts of the 1930s any more. They may not don the jeans and braces of the 1970s with their swastika tattoos and shaven heads but they are the same underneath.

So the next time someone tells you that the BNP represent the views of White, Working class Britain stop and think.

Just who do they think they are?"

Cheers,

Stuart

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Stuart Sorensen

Stuart Sorensen

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26-Oct-2009 4:04 pm

Just posted the below in my blog. Don't be fooled - the BNP are not representative of white, working class British people - they are just Nazis.

"White, working class and British

October 26, 2009 by stuartsorensen

There is a political party in the UK today that claims to represent the views and opinions of white, working class, British people. That party is the British National Party. It grew out of the thuggery of the National Front, a far right, neo-Nazi group that was responsible for massive amounts of violence and intimidation on the country’s streets throughout the 1970s and 1980s.

Indeed the heritage of the BNP can be traced right back to the Black-shirted fascists who supported Baronet Oswald Mosley in the 1930s. For the BNP to claim that they represent honest, hard-working British people is a travesty.

I am a white working class man. I am only two generations away from servants. Go back three generations and you will find my great grandfather was ‘blacked’ by employers for helping to start the first trade union in my native West Cumbria.

For my own part I’ve worked as a salesman, a barman, a porter, a care assistant, a nurse and now a trainer in health and social care. I’ve been homeless in the past and lived in hostels whilst scratching out a very modest living as a busker on the streets of our towns and cities. It’s hard to find anyone more working class than me.

The BNP do not represent the views of this white, British, working class man. And I’d like to tell you why.

First let me point out that white does not mean that I think I’m special. I do not believe for one moment that the concerns of white working people like myself are any different from the concerns of black and asian working class people.

Let me also point out that working class does not automatically mean bigotted or racist.

The BNP has hijacked the good name of a huge part of British society and claimed it for it’s own. But we do not belong to this racist, fascist organisation and they do not represent us. The BNP represents far right politics – a political position so far removed from the traditional left wing politics of the working class as it is possible to get.

Let’s also consider what it means to be British.

The BNP would have you believe that Britishness equates to the white-skinned, North European stereotype epitomised by pictures of blond haired Vikings in schoolbook pictures. It is the same view that prompted Hitler’s Nazi party to steal blond, blue eyed children from occupied countries and raise them as Aryan Germans during the second world war. It is the same mistaken viewpoint that sent Hitler’s Nazis all over occupied Europe trying to find evidence of a mythical Aryan race from which they thought themselves to be descended.

The truth is that this country has no pure blood any more. Beginning with black Africans, Northern Europe has been populated (and sometimes invaded) by wave upon wave of people from other parts of the world. Most often they came from more Southern climes and were, inevitably darker skinned than the BNP’s ideal. It is evolution and adaptation that has caused the differences in skin colour we see today because ultimately we all derive from the same 7 family trees. And they all originated in Africa.

Even ignoring that fact – the BNP talk a lot about the period since the last ice age 17,000 years ago – quick look at the history of Britain shows how silly it is to suggest any sort of racial purity in UK. We are mongrels – and that is our greatest strength.

It is almost impossible to define Britishness in racial terms. The whole idea is based upon a myth – a dangerous myth at that.

So – how do we define British?

Well – Britishness is tied to citizenship. To be a British citizen is to be British. To hold a British passport is to be British. To have a national insurance number in UK is to be British.

To be white is to be white – that’s all.

To be working class is to have to work for a living – that’s all.

I stand shoulder to shoulder with my working class British neighbours of all colours in rejecting the BNP’s deceitful claim to represent the views of decent hard-working people.

To support the BNP is to be duped by lies and half-truths based upon the same lies and fantasies that led Hitler and the Nazis to exterminate millions of people in the holocaust – a historical fact that the BNP are keen to play down.

Do not be fooled by this vicious group of thugs. They may not wear the blackshirts of the 1930s any more. They may not don the jeans and braces of the 1970s with their swastika tattoos and shaven heads but they are the same underneath.

So the next time someone tells you that the BNP represent the views of White, Working class Britain stop and think.

Just who do they think they are?"

Cheers,

Stuart

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