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Row over 'pay cartel' reaches parliament

MPs are due to debate the threat of regional pay to the NHS and the actions of the South West “pay cartel” this week, in a move designed to spark action from the government.

As part of a Labour Party debate in parliament on Wednesday, politicians will vote on a motion highlighting the growing threats to Agenda for Change. It will also call for the South West Pay, Terms and Conditions Consortium of 20 trusts to be stopped from leaving the national pay framework.

The debate comes as more trusts have threatened to break away from the national pay structure. North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Foundation Trust is planning to sack 5,452 staff on 31 March and re-employ them on reduced terms and conditions.

However, some trusts have also stated their commitment to the national deal, meaning the NHS is facing growing fragmentation over terms and conditions.

Shadow health secretary Andy Burnham told Nursing Times that next week’s Commons’ debate was aimed at “flushing” out the government’s position on NHS pay. “There is growing confusion about government policy on regional pay and we need to have some definite answers,” he said.

“National pay is a key plank of the NHS, it is the glue that holds the whole system together and the government has failed to step in and make its position clear,” he added.

Mr Burnham said the South West Consortium had “emboldened other trusts around the country”, which were now starting to adopt a similar approach. He warned that regional pay would cost more and disproportionately affect deprived areas.

Labour would seek “common cause” with Liberal Democrat MPs in the debate and vote, he said.

The former health secretary denied the threat to national pay was a direct result of freedoms given to foundation trusts by the previous Labour government.

Mr Burnham said: “There were freedoms but they were for use at the margins for individual circumstances, not the wholesale opt-out of Agenda for Change.

“If this is a loophole that trusts are using we will seek to close it [if Labour is returned to power at the next election],” he said.

He said he also planned to review legislation surrounding foundation trusts in the light of the Francis Report into the scandal at Mid Staffordshire Foundation Trust, which is expected early next year.

Meanwhile, unions are consulting on what action to take to oppose regional pay, according to Christina McAnea, chair of the Staffside Council and head of health at Unison.

She told a nursing seminar in Birmingham last week that she calling on members to suggest forms of protest short of striking, because she was aware many healthcare workers were “nervous” or “reluctant” about taking industrial action because they feared the impact it would have on patient care.

Readers' comments (20)

  • North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Foundation Trust has already issued Advance Notice of Redundancy to some 5000 staff.

    I would urge that the RCn and other staff side organisations to urgently facilitate an established Staffing Agency to take the all these staff onto their books.

    If the Trust continues to behave in an aggressive manner toward its staff then the Staff Side should advise members to accept the redundancy pay on offer.

    The Trust clearly cannot replace 5000+ staff ! --- but must be taught a lesson.

    Therefore I would suggest that only minimal staffing should be made available to the Trust for a period of one month.

    Only emergency levels of staffing would be permitted in areas such as delivery suits, NICU, ITU, Coronary Care, A/E and Theatres.

    All routine surgery must cease and only the most serious of cases admitted.

    For other patients the trust should make arrangements for their care with neighbouring Trusts.

    Staff employed from the Agency must of course be recompensed at an enhanced rate to compensate for loss of pension etc.

    The Trust will rapidly rediscover the "worth" of their staff who must all be reinstated with no loss of service and on National Pay rates and terms and conditions of service.

    The Trusts want to play hard ball ?

    The Staff organisations must ensure full support of their members in fighting and winning the war !

    It can be done !

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  • "She told a nursing seminar in Birmingham last week that she calling on members to suggest forms of protest short of striking, because she was aware many healthcare workers were “nervous” or “reluctant” about taking industrial action because they feared the impact it would have on patient care."

    This is exactly the "weakness" which the Trust is relying on!

    Being "nervous" and "reluctant" in the face of naked aggression from the Trust is a stance which will ensure the Trust wins !

    If all else fails industrial action must be taken ! Seeking soft options to "protect patients" will not work !

    All the Staff employed by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Foundation Trust are now are aware of exactly how well they are regarded by the Trust.

    The Trust wants to reduce staff pay and remove other terms and conditions of service. The Trust has to be made aware that such behaviour is unacceptable. An Extremely robust stance must be taken by the staff.

    Whatever problems the Trust has does not justify ill treating valuable staff!

    If patients "suffer" it is the fault of the Trust Chairman. Board Member, and Executives ! Do not forget these people dont intend to forgo their obscene salaries or their Bonuses !

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  • tinkerbell

    it's all a bit rich isn't it, asking for help from the government about pay cartels when they are pulling all the strings anyway, making nurses redundant and the all the rest of the shut down of the NHS for frontline workers.

    All they will be left with ultimately is a load of useless managers who mostly have been promoted beyond their competence level, who will then not be fit for purpose as no private sector business in their right mind would want to employ them as managers anyway.

    To say that nurses are too scared to take action because of concerns about patients welfare is a bit rich too as patients are already suffering due to cutbacks etc., So if we've got to do something 'horrible' let's do it quickly rather than drag it out over a longer period of time where patients are suffering anyway and for longer. No one should have to die as a consequence of industrial action if there is an organised strategy, but it seems within nursing there has never been any organisation as we have been leaping through hoops and kept in a total state of confusion with ongoing and unrelenting changes year in year out.

    Time to take a stand for the everyone, ourselves and patients wellbeing and stop having a 'pity party' about it all.

    Time to take back some control rather than waiting on the whims of a heartless government who only real concern is making a fast buck at the cost of anyone that might make their life a bit more difficult and stop all the martyrdom attitude that we can't do anything because we care about the patients. Really? Where's that got any of us, out of a job, used as doormats with less staff to care for the patients.

    Come on nurses, time to take a stand. We are a mighty force to be reckoned with if we choose to stand up for ourselves but too afraid to use it. Think that makes us victims when we could be victors.

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  • If those 5000+ staff, en masse, stated that they will refuse to sign amended contracts, the Trust woul dhave no option to buckle. The threat of all their front line staff not turning in to work following termination of their contracts would mean they would have no option to reconsider. They could not ensure that volume of agency cover for these staff (or afford it), and they could not risk calling the bluff. Thre is no need for actual industrial action to take place, just the consolidated threat (with real intent).

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  • Anon 8.51 and 5.19
    No, the staff should all take redundancy and REFUSE to return to work.
    I had Peter Carter in my trust the other week, he wont do anything about this, he'd rather have an internicine war with Unison then galvanise the membership WHO PAY HIS WAGES.
    Demand from your RCN/ Unison steward action over this. We either stand united or not at all.

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  • I never thought I could go on industrial action but now I feel very strongly about this, I vote for this as these people don't care about me, a nurse with aches all over after a days work, I work so hard and have so little to spend and they still feel they can damage me more untill I am brain dead. I am not the reason this country is in a mess.
    I pray those 5000+ staff stand united for themselves and the rest of us.
    They will be in my prayers.

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  • The government should never have allowed foundation trusts to opt out of agenda for change in the first instance, and no NHS trust should be allowed to now. If they had to comply full stop,without any chance of opting out, groups like the south west cartel would not have had a chance, and would not have formed because they wouldn't have been allowed to.

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  • if you are made redundant and have your contract terminated then don't go into work as you have no job. if your employer wants to re-imploy you then let them adverise the posts and interview 5,000 staff, take up references, enchanced CRB checks etc.

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  • Action needs to be taken but lets be clever about what action is taken. Lets all start working to rule, if as I do you work 9 to 5 with half an hour for lunch don't start your shift until 9 don't work past 5 and make sure you take your lunch break. Not as I do and I'm sure most on here do, get in a few minutes early and stay over a few minutes / hours * delete as applicable * as for lunch breaks what are they

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  • I agree with the above post, most hospitals would implode if all it's staff worked to rule.

    Our Trust (one of the Cartel) is about to start paying even more fines as the Consultants and Nurses have decided to do no more waiting list initiatives at weekends.

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  • The cartel should be stopped in its tracks immediately by the government.

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  • I love my job, and until recently I was looking forward to another 15 years until retirement, contributing to the NHS and the care of patients, using the specialist knowledge and experience I have built up over the years.
    Now, I, and many others, are looking at getting out as soon as possible from an organisation that sees absolutely no value in us as employees, or in the work we do for patients. I am in the process of signing up with an agency so that when the redundancy notice comes, I can possibly continue to pay my mortgage. I will very likely have to sell my house.
    The private sector seems to understand how to retain, motivate and value staff. The NHS treats them like dirt and I and many others are desperately worried about our future, and the future of the sick and needy in our society. Why do our managers want to implement the devastation of the best health service in the world?

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  • Why would anyone be happy to work unsocial hours and not get paid a bit extra. Is this going to happen with the other emergency services?
    Shop-workers get weekend and evening rates, why are we so badly treated all the time.

    Managers don't care because they don't work evenings or weekends and they are on massive salaries and get bonuses.

    Loyal staff will just leave and those who have no choice but to stay will just do what they have to do, no extra hours, no going that 'extra mile'.

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  • Are North Tees Mad? Are they really going to sack 5,000 staff then offer them crumbs? If this is really true, then of course the staff should take the redundancy money.
    But those concerned should look out for the Trust tactics - threaten them; withdraw the threat; make people apply for a limited number of jobs in a so-called "restructuring"; divide and rule because not everyone will get the jobs; then change their working conditions anyway. The most important of these is "divide and rule", which is how Britain got the Empire.
    Also, look out for how the employers run rings around the unions

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  • it is time to stop NHS nurses from being abused in this manner. It wouldn't happen to doctors. I agree it is time to make the government feel the impact. We should all stand together. If made redundant let them shut the service and go through the proper equal opportunities process of employment.

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  • May be against EU law. 2 minutes on t'internet;
    Pfeiffer vs. Deuthes Rotes Kreuz " The worker must be regarded as the weaker party to the employment contract and it is therefore necessary to prevent the employer being in a position to disregard the intentions of the other party of the other party to the contract or to IMPOSE on that party a RESTRICTION of his rights WITHOUT him having EXPRESSLY given his CONSENT in that regard,

    Tell your union representatives that you most wholeheartedly DO NOT consent, nor are they to agree to any deal on your behalf. The law is on our side.

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  • Anonymous | 5-Nov-2012 10:03 am

    You quote shop workers getting weekend and evening rates I'll bet you most workers who do get such rates will get half and double time for working such shifts not the derisory time and a third and two thirds we get. Many workers will be getting triple time for working Xmas. Now they want to take that away from us

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  • If thats what th emanagement have decided it must be in the best interest of the patient so im all 4 it.

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  • re-above comment...morning david cameron!!!

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  • anon 6-nov-2012 0.33am

    whats the chief exec of the trust doing on here!!

    what a comment....you must be a manager i bet who could not run a bath...you dont treat your hard working staff in this way

    i hope all the satff refuse to go back to work then see what happens to the hospital...oh sorry all the management will be able to get on the wards and run the trust...my backside will they!!

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