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Scrapping health bill could save 6,000 nursing posts, says Labour

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Money earmarked for the costs of reorganising the NHS could pay to prevent the loss of 6,000 nursing posts, Labour claims.

Labour leader Ed Miliband will use the figure to renew pressure on the government to drop its controversial shake-up after warning there were just three months to save the NHS.

According to the opposition’s calculations, more than 3,500 nursing posts have been lost since the government came to power and another 2,500 are under threat.

The £1.7bn set aside to pay for the changes in the Health and Social Care Bill would more than pay for the £748m cost of protecting all of those jobs, it believes.

Mr Miliband will use a visit to a Kent hospital to step up his campaign against the bill.

He is expected to say: “In tough times and with little money around, the very first priority should be to protect the frontline NHS.

“Instead we have a government blowing a vast amount of money on a damaging top-down reorganisation at the same time as it is cutting thousands of nurses.

“Labour’s priority is protecting the front line, not a pointless and damaging reorganisation of the NHS.

“So we are calling for the bill to be scrapped, and for some of the money set aside to fund this reorganisation to instead be made available to the NHS to protect the thousands of nursing posts either already cut or set to be cut in the coming years.

“It is a clear and simple choice for the government: by stopping this damaging reorganisation we can fund 6,000 nurses.

“In opposition David Cameron told people he could be trusted to protect the NHS. In government he has put Tory free-market ideology ahead of basic patient care.”

Shadow health secretary Andy Burnham added: “In just over 18 months in government, the coalition has taken a successful and confident NHS and turned it into an organisation that’s demoralised, destabilised and fearful of the future.”

The bill is due to return to the House of Lords this week for further debate.

Mr Miliband said it opened the health service to a “free market free-for-all” that would put the principles of the NHS at risk.

“It is not too late to stop this bill. We have three months to prevent great harm being done to the NHS,” he wrote in The Observer.

“Now is the time for people of all parties and of none, the professions, the patients and now peers in the House of Lords to work together to try to stop this Bill.”

Royal College of Nursing chief executive Peter Carter said: “Our Frontline First campaign has already identified over 48,000 NHS posts at risk in England alone.

“These figures are further evidence, if it were needed, that the extensive NHS reorganisation set out in the Health and Social Care Bill is a costly distraction from the major challenges faced by the NHS. The turmoil of stopping the Bill is outweighed by the turmoil of allowing it to continue, and we would urge peers to vote against the Bill when it is put before them again this week.”

But health minister Anne Milton said: “Labour’s accusations are wrong on all counts.

“Since the election we’ve cut admin staff by 15,000 and the total number of clinical staff has remained the same.

“If we were not proceeding with modernisation in the NHS, by the end of this Parliament there would be £1.5 billion not available to support services and frontline staff.

“Stopping the reforms now would mean cutting nursing posts. The shape of staffing in the NHS is changing and the increase in doctors and therapists relative to nurses reflects that.

“But nursing numbers continue to be at highest-ever levels in areas where they are needed. The ratio of nurses to the number of acute beds in hospital has improved significantly over the last 18 months.”

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  • these tory idiots dont give a toss about the nhs
    they just want to privatise it
    they would do it to all public services given the chance

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  • Little One

    I qualify in 7 months and am terrified what state the NHS will be in.

    I'll never find a job!

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  • Dear Little One... if you have neen training to become an NHS, surely you would have learned from your nurse training course that the Tory party are doing their utmost to scrap the NHS - as we know and value it- for a privatised substitute service.
    Recently, I had to go to a 'walk in' NHS run unit, only to be informed by the nurse that she did not work within the NHS, but, the NHS pay a private agency to staff the unit.
    Furthermore, when I 'registered' at the reception, the person was abrupt in her in tone of voice, to myself that the NHS was really going to the dogs......however, I was wrong, it's already there!
    Good luck with your exams....

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  • Dear Little One... if you have neen training to become an NHS nurse, surely you would have learned from your nurse training course that the Tory party are doing their utmost to scrap the NHS - as we know and value it- for a privatised substitute of a service.
    Recently, I had to go to a 'walk in' NHS run unit, only to be informed by the nurse that she did not work within the NHS, but, the NHS pay a private agency to staff the unit.
    Furthermore, when I 'registered' at the reception, the person was so abrupt in her in tone of voice, manner and attitude towards me that, I was thinking to myself, the NHS was really going to the dogs......however, I was wrong, it's already there!
    Good luck with your exams....

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  • michael stone

    Little One | 6-Feb-2012 11:05 am

    Little One, I hope you do find a nursing job.

    For some reason I managed to briefly scanyour comment in that 'Pain Police' piece, but when I tried to go back and post a comment it locked me out as 'subscriber only content'. Stick to your guns - pain is real if the patient feels it, and isn't present if the person isn't feeling it. Plently of wounds in wartime are not accompanied by any pain initially (many soldiers who are shot, say at the time they only felt the impact, not any pain), and when I played rugby I hurled myself into contacts which would have been very painful under 'everyday' circumstances, but are not at all painful when you are playing the game (you tend to get the pain in the showers, post-match).

    These NHS reforms are turning very nighmarish, even more so than they originally were - and this baffles me. Recently the Goverment has been using a 'line' that 'we know the reforms work and save money, because some GPs are already doing it'. How are those GPs already doing it, if the law has not yet been changed - doesn't that suggest, we could have the 'good bits of the changes' WITHOUT a change in the law ?

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  • looks like i might just give up on becoming a nurse now, hello wasted degree

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  • Little One

    Iama Cynic | 6-Feb-2012 1:28 pm

    "Dear Little One... if you have neen training to become an NHS nurse, surely you would have learned from your nurse training course that the Tory party are doing their utmost to scrap the NHS - as we know and value it- for a privatised substitute of a service."

    Actually, our course has not focussed on the current politics regarding the NHS and more with A&P, the formation of the NHS, holistic care, assessments, pathophysiology etc. We have had to find out what is happening in the NHS through the papers and staff on placements.

    michael stone | 6-Feb-2012 3:03 pm

    "Little One, I hope you do find a nursing job."

    Thank you, I do too!

    "For some reason I managed to briefly scanyour comment in that 'Pain Police' piece, but when I tried to go back and post a comment it locked me out as 'subscriber only content'. Stick to your guns - pain is real if the patient feels it, and isn't present if the person isn't feeling it. Plently of wounds in wartime are not accompanied by any pain initially (many soldiers who are shot, say at the time they only felt the impact, not any pain), and when I played rugby I hurled myself into contacts which would have been very painful under 'everyday' circumstances, but are not at all painful when you are playing the game (you tend to get the pain in the showers, post-match)."

    I know what you mean, we were discussing this in our pain lecture just the other day, whereby people did not realise they had pain until minutes, sometimes hours after they had injured themselves. I myself have had a delayed pain response and know what it is like. I also know what it is like personally, to be thought of as a 'faker' when in pain, it's not nice and that is why I would never do it to my patients. I was in pain for years before someone took me seriously and I eventually had an operation.

    "These NHS reforms are turning very nighmarish, even more so than they originally were - and this baffles me. Recently the Goverment has been using a 'line' that 'we know the reforms work and save money, because some GPs are already doing it'. How are those GPs already doing it, if the law has not yet been changed - doesn't that suggest, we could have the 'good bits of the changes' WITHOUT a change in the law ?"

    I cannot answer this because I do not know. I am just very concerned and very upset that an NHS I would have been proud to work in is being eroded in front of my eyes.

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  • tinkerbell

    Little One | 6-Feb-2012 11:34 pm
    'We have had to find out what is happening in the NHS through the papers and staff on placements'

    Sadly this is the way most of us have been finding out what is going on apart from those of us with direct experience of ward closure and staff cutbacks. We have had 3 units closed and staff redeployed to us.

    The tories are doing this all undercover they are not going to announce it to the general public because they want to keep it under wraps until it is all done and dusted and cannot be undone. I have nothing against those who can afford private care but not at the cost of destroying OUR NHS to line their own pockets. The tories have a vested interest in making this happen as they have shares in the private healthcare industry and whether they get in again at the next election is doesn't matter to them so long as they get out with huge amounts of money in their bank accounts as they hope their reforms cannot be undone. Much the same as when Thatcher started the process way back.The would sell their granny if they could make a fast buck.

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  • tinkerbell

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100134154/lansleys-nhs-bill-is-unnecessary-incomprehensible-and-possibly-illegal-other-than-that-its-great/

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  • john warwick

    the nhs needs to be cleaned up, how many of us have patients on the ward who are healthy enough to be discharged but cannt because there is no safe place to discharge them to. wether its the torie or labour both have closed wards. what needs to be done is a running the hospitals as a profit making business. Ealing hospital had nothing in place in the A&E to take or record private insurance information of the foriegn university students who booked in for treatment and this attitude that the government will subsedise the NHS is why we must chane all our attitudes

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  • John Howes

    Scrapping the bill could save 6000 nursing posts!! This is the asinine world of political soundbite statistics, we could build x number of hospitals etc., etc. In 1974 I had been nursing for 11 years, the Tories back then had made 'absolutely unchangeable inroads into the destruction of the NHS' Each change of government has whittled away the principle of patients first and free at the point of delivery. It's a bit late for Labour to wax lyrical when you consider what occurred on the 13 years of their watch.

    We all know by now that most politicians are hypocritical self serving pigs! were they not we wouldn't be trying to secure our pensions and a future pay rise whilst they inflate theirs and enjoy expenses that make our £11 evening meal allowance away from home look like a mean tip on one of their meal allowances. We might also consider the lifestyles enjoyed by our Union leaders paid for by our subscriptions. Truly, gravity is a myth, the world sucks.

    We should save some of our contempt for the 'leaders' from all areas who have led us to the unholy mess that is today. After 49 years in nursing I have finally pulled e plug, the only downside of retirement is the thought that I might end up in hospital, a thought that might cause me lack of sleep.

    One of nursings greatest leaders, Trevor Clay once said that "nurses have always been politically aware, it is their misfortune as a profession that they have never acquired political astuteness" Never more true than today.

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  • surely the health, safety and lives of British citizens should be above politics. all this seems to be doing is making everything Kaputt. If politicians must be involved why can they not all work together regardless of political beliefs and party to build a strong and effective system and a healthy, motivated and productive nation instead of merely considering the NHS a drain on the country's financial resources and a potential cash cow. they are causing the greatest concern and anxiety and doing untold damage to the lives, health, well being and welfare of patients and staff alike and the media seem to be making matters far worse with their sensationalist headlines and reports which just act to stir things up without an ability to correctly inform the nation.

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  • tinkerbell

    Anonymous | 7-Feb-2012 11:32 am

    The voice of reason, well said.

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  • John Howes

    Scrapping the bill could save 6000 nursing posts!! This is the asinine world of political soundbite statistics, we could build x number of hospitals etc., etc. In 1974 I had been nursing for 11 years, the Tories back then had made 'absolutely unchangeable inroads into the destruction of the NHS' Each change of government has whittled away the principle of patients first and free at the point of delivery. It's a bit late for Labour to wax lyrical when you consider what occurred on the 13 years of their watch.

    We all know by now that most politicians are hypocritical self serving pigs! were they not we wouldn't be trying to secure our pensions and a future pay rise whilst they inflate theirs and enjoy expenses that make our £11 evening meal allowance away from home look like a mean tip on one of their meal allowances. We might also consider the lifestyles enjoyed by our Union leaders paid for by our subscriptions. Truly, gravity is a myth, the world sucks.

    We should save some of our contempt for the 'leaders' from all areas who have led us to the unholy mess that is today. After 49 years in nursing I have finally pulled e plug, the only downside of retirement is the thought that I might end up in hospital, a thought that might cause me lack of sleep.

    One of nursings greatest leaders, Trevor Clay once said that "nurses have always been politically aware, it is their misfortune as a profession that they have never acquired political astuteness" Never more true than today.

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  • tinkerbell | 7-Feb-2012 12:00 pm

    sadly it is only a very tiny, thin voice which not many will listen to as there is no money to be made from such ideas. My idealism doesn't seem to be the same as Cameron's, like chalk and cheese!

    Perhaps all the comments we wish to draw to his attention to we should mark at the top with

    FOR THE ATTENTION OF MR. CAMERON

    It would be good if NT would continue to publish some of the most pertinent comments to present to him as I do appreciate he cannot possibly read them all.

    By the way it is Carnival in Switzerland and yesterday my fitness teacher said her four year old daughter is going as none other than 'TINKERBELL' and in previous years she has won several prizes for her costumes. Mum hires them rather than making them herself. They have processions in the streets on two different days, one for the kids and another for everybody with all the floats, so hopefully it won't be too icy cold. They also play Guggenmusik which is an extremely loud cacophony of brass and throw sweets and confetti (which one finds in ones apartment up to six months later!). A great excuse for all the local alcoholics as well. I wanted to tell my teacher about your Tinkerbell as well but thought it would be too complicated to try and explain in German and especially as even some of the young know nothing about commenting and blogging and I don't think she would be too interested in the NT and all our political problems anyway - they are more fascinated by our Queen which makes me puff up with British pride (at least there is still a little left to still to believe in!). Besides you know what is like trying to explain something and then wishing you had never started. The other day I tried to explain the game of Jacks to her which I discovered later on the Internet is unknown here and in German speaking countries which surprised me as we have nearly everything else under the sun in common despite our different languages.


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  • tinkerbell

    Anonymous | 7-Feb-2012 12:40 pm

    sounds like much more fun there than here:)

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  • tinkerbell

    John Howes | 7-Feb-2012 12:21 pm

    John, what is the 'political astuteness' of which you speak and how can we turn this mess to our advantage. Any advice greatly appreciated, seriously.

    Is there something that we should be doing that we're not or vice versa?

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  • tinkerbell

    In the meantime how about some cheaper gas and electricity. Every little helps. Private healthcare providers will no doubt rip us off too!

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  • are we heading in the same direction as Greece?

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  • tinkerbell

    what about scrapping these reforms and the lives it will save?

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  • tinkerbell

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  • Hello All!
    I have a letter due tomorrow about my future nursing career. Demotion or no job basically, wrapped up in jargon. Thanks Mr Cameron, you're doing fine things for the NHS!

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  • tinkerbell

    Anonymous | 9-Feb-2012 12:11 pm

    Please could you send a copy of it to your MP and also post it on this site and Jenni may send it to Mr Cameron too as Jenni is sending some of these posts to him or one of his cronies.

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  • tinkerbell

    let me guess, are you Band 7, cos' they're next on the 'hit' list apparently.

    These managers (henchmen) who are doing this don't seem to realise that very soon they won't have anything to manage and their jobs will be on the line too.They don't appear to have that foresight. They are selling their souls to implement these staffing cutbacks. How dim witted is that that they are going along with it all to save their (sorry arses) jobs.

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  • tinkerbell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl1jPqqTdNo&feature=player_embedded

    Well said young man. Only listen to this if you are adult enough to listen to swearing. Telling it like it is. Well done our great british young uns.

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  • tinkerbell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl1jPqqTdNo&feature=player_embedded

    Don't watch this is you are easily offended by swearing

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  • tinkerbell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EV-Ws0B5oA&feature=related

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